than the iraqi government really wants. so i hope that, one, the drawdown from afghanistan is not precipitous of our troops, because it's clearly not what our military wants. and secondly, that we leave some group of, some deployment of our troops there. and one of the most important reasons to do that is the the message it sends to pakistan. conventional wisdom, you say it so much, you wonder if it's really true. well, of course some elements in their service support the taliban and other terrorist groups, because they're positioning themselves for the day which they know will come when we again leave. and they see, leave afghanistan, leave the region, and they see, um, iran coming in or to afghanistan but really india. so we have to convince them that by our only -- not by with words, by our decisions, that we're going to stay in there. >> we have to buy -- they have to buy the insurance policy from us, not the other guys. >> you got it. and, you know, beyond pakistan and beyond afghanistan, this whole area -- just look a